Posts by The Rebel

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Availability Crisis of Conscience.

by Ben131895 in

most of us are desperately waiting for the availability of a legal crisis of conscience.

deborah dykstra provided us with two updates.

on december 12, 2015 there was a clear statement about the copyright which stopped all illegal activity in spreading electronic versions & prints.. finally, she promised a new update by or before may 6.. so far no new update.

The Rebel

I think if " Crisis of conscience" was readily available for PURCHSE, it would appeal to a very small circle of current doubting witnesses, and those that do purchase would have already found the answers they are looking for. This is because I believe the theme that made " crisis of conscience" so important was the identifying of the corruption of the G.B, However that corruption of those past egotists, is continuing to be repeated today by current G.B members and therefore the past evidence becomes less abstruct.

I believe that the current exposure, and the holding up to the light of Georry Jackson lying under oath at the Australian " Royal Commission" his lying about child abusers is of much more value than history. I write this because today we have the very essence of evil, current evil, and future evil of the G.B. This is what will awaken current members, not history.

The organisation is alive in its evil. not alive in its past evil. Past evils can be forgiven by members, but no witness in a " crisis of concience" should be forgiven if they accept the current evil of the " G. B" with a good "concience".

Therefore I believe a witness who can forgive past mistakes in the book " crisis of concience" will not find it so easy with a good "concience" to live with present accounts of Watchtower evil that are harder to ignor.

The Rebel

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slimboyfat joins the Mormons!

by slimboyfat in

i know that some people on the board have experience of being mormons, so i would be interested in your feedback.

at church this afternoon it was an uncanny experience.

in the past i've read a lot about mormons, so i thought i was prepared in general for what it would be like.

The Rebel

Slim so Accorrding to you 2+2 5 gave the best answer " Nobody can be sure if the Mormons teach any truth from the perspective of a worm"

We could also say from a worms perspective the Mormon church doesn't exist. In fact maybe the Mormon Church doesn't exist, or it only exists by the false thinking of people. But then does money exist?

I put it to you Slim your chosen Church of the month exists, be it Mormon, Cathalic, Witness or whatever, because it's all about the MONEY not the INDIVIDUAL. I hope you are worm enough to accept that?

The Rebel

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That good old JW rumour mill

by punkofnice in

because i simply decided the watchtower corporation wasn't the truth(tm) i was da'd in a secret jc that i didn't attend.

i was writing songs with a friend that day instead.. jws wasted no time in labelling me as an evil villain.

the rumours abounded.. i was labelled as 'a false prophet'.

The Rebel

Punk, I think the question should be WHY do Jehovers Witnesses bother with the rummer mill?

I have concluded they know the rummers are all B.S. (Bullshit) but it's more fun than the other type of B.S ( Bible Study)

On a serious note, if the elders make an announcement that a person is no longer a J.W, it creates a rummer mill. Ok it may seem ridiculous, but I believe what we the victims of the malicious rummer mill can forget is that it's very harmful to those" people" who engage in spreading such rummers. I mean their but for " OUR" leaving the organisation could be " YOU" or " I". Think about that.

I believe the " rummer mill" is deliberately created by the G.B, therefore I would rather be a victim than part of it.

The Rebel.

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slimboyfat joins the Mormons!

by slimboyfat in

i know that some people on the board have experience of being mormons, so i would be interested in your feedback.

at church this afternoon it was an uncanny experience.

in the past i've read a lot about mormons, so i thought i was prepared in general for what it would be like.

The Rebel

Slim " I don't believe all the doctrines"

The Rebel. I am sure this won't be a problem, provided you consider it a blessing to have the opportunity of donating 10% of your income to the church?

The Mormon Church: " Rebel, please remember that the lord isn't asking for 10% but he is giving us 90% and then blessings on top"

The Rebel." Ok that explains it"

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Anyway I am glad I am loving my life....

by The Rebel in

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i realize now my father i believe had " aspergers" " ( although not diagnosed) .

our parents are who they are, and i do not hate my patents for being who they are, on the contary i appreciate how they love me in their own way.

but growing up with strict witness parents and a father who i now believe has " asperges"" wasn't easy, .

The Rebel

I realize now my father I believe had " aspergers" " ( although not diagnosed)

Our parents are who they are, and I do not hate my mum & dad for being who they are, on the contary I appreciate how they love me in their own way. But growing up with strict witness parents and a father who I now believe has " asperges"" wasn't easy,

Anyway I am glad I am now loving my life, but the point I want to make is I love my wife and I love my son of 11, and I realize we each as individuals, have so many imperfections. Today I have realized my dad had many problems that " faked" my life up, but he is my dad and I am sure he is a nice guy,

The really important point I am trying to make is, that the relationship between parents and children can have great love and horrible pain, but I won't let my parents down and say I don't love them. It has just taken a lot of time for me to realize a dad may have problems with love that I never understood.

On a positive I have put my " Witness" upbringing behind me, I understand my parents inability to show love and I always tell my boy and wife I love them before we go to bed, and my boy still kisses me goodnight and says he loves me before he goes to sleep.

The Rebel.

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Roy and my right to free-speech..

by The Rebel in

before england announce the two squad members that won't go in to the euros, i say leave out wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and sturrige,( the most over rated striker ever) however social media disagrees and says drinkwater, lacks quality and rashford experience so leave them out.

other experts think varidys pace irrelevant at this level.

my conclusion it's all opinions and roy hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias.

The Rebel

That's an Interesting post Simon. Please give me a few days to digest the contents.

Anyway what I am trying to say is the person who only has the sporting instinct, the person who loves only sport, probably does less damage to society than the politicians and economists, even the religiouse leaders. He certainly does less harm than the people who really control our thinking, the " Advertisers"

Having left the W.T, and mixing in the " world" free-speech really interests me. I have learnt I can get a free-beer in any pub listing to " free-speech" but the beer to be enjoyed needs to agree with the " free-speech" of the guy who bought me the beer.

It would be remiss of me not to say " Thanks" for allowing my opinion be heard, even when we don't agree.

The Rebel.

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Roy and my right to free-speech..

by The Rebel in

before england announce the two squad members that won't go in to the euros, i say leave out wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and sturrige,( the most over rated striker ever) however social media disagrees and says drinkwater, lacks quality and rashford experience so leave them out.

other experts think varidys pace irrelevant at this level.

my conclusion it's all opinions and roy hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias.

The Rebel

My point about free-speech and sport is:-

1:- I have attended many football matches where bananas were thrown at black players, and racial songs chanted. This sort of free speech should be banned, yet sadly it still happens.

2) Muhammad Ali ( who sadly passed away yesterday) stated his Muslim beliefs prohibited him serving in the Vietnam war, so the " World Boxing Association" suspended him and revolked his world championship title.

3) In the World Cup " FINAL" Zidane got red carded for head butting an opponent. Why did he head butt the opponent ? The tactics of the opposing team were to say to him during the "game" the most disrespectful insults about his sister, until he reacted.

Those are 3 instances of many I could name, in which free-speech and sport in my opinion don't mix:-

So it comes down to balance. Personally I think it is ok for me to say "Rooney should be dropped based on performance and statistics" but I do not think it ok for me to say " He should be dropped because he is a "FAT SLOB"with "MENTAL" problems. In my opinion such name calling is as pathetic as the throwing of bananas at black players.

The Rebel.

p.s. I agree with Ali, on point 2, however the point clearly proves even the U.S.A has restrictions on freedom of expression.

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Roy and my right to free-speech..

by The Rebel in

before england announce the two squad members that won't go in to the euros, i say leave out wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and sturrige,( the most over rated striker ever) however social media disagrees and says drinkwater, lacks quality and rashford experience so leave them out.

other experts think varidys pace irrelevant at this level.

my conclusion it's all opinions and roy hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias.

The Rebel

OrphanCrow, I will answer your point " How does a discussion about sports teams fall under freedom of speech protection" at the end of my thread.

LoveUnHateExams, another reason why we won the World Cup in 1966.

Jack Charlton to Alf Ramsy, the England manager " Why did you pick me"

Alf Ramsey " Jack I don't pick the best players I pick the best team"

So we won the World Cup because we had Alf Ramsey a manager who had the guts not to pick the best players, but players like " Jack Charlton" and " Nobby Stiles". It should be noted Jack Charlton was 30 when he got his first cap, and Nobby Stiles was called an animal by the daily press and a public opinion poll saying he was an embarrassment to our national team. Furthermore Alf Ramsey picked against public opinion kids like Alan Ball ( my hero) and Martin Peters. As for the final Ramsey, dropped the nations hero Jimmy Greaves, and gave Geoff Hurst the number 10 shirt. ( Hurst got a hat-trick, Peters the other goal and Alan Ball was the people's man of the match)

Sir Alf Ramsey " We won the World Cup, because I didn't pick the best players, I created and picked the best team"

Come on Roy...Ali not Rooney in central midfield, Kane up front not Rooney. Who would be England manager and have the guts to drop our captain " Rooney?" Sir Alf Ramsey would, ask Jimmy Greaves.

The Rebel.

OrphanCrow, freedom of speech and questioning your National football team is forbidden in many lands. A teenage girl was so distressed her African National team lost a game against the countries rivals, she shot herself in the head. The country gave her a state funeral. What does that have to do with freedom of speech? Well I think it's ridiculous that in her country I would not be allowed the "freedom of speech" to voice my opinion her suicide was stupid,and football is only a game.

The Rebel

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Roy and my right to free-speech..

by The Rebel in

before england announce the two squad members that won't go in to the euros, i say leave out wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and sturrige,( the most over rated striker ever) however social media disagrees and says drinkwater, lacks quality and rashford experience so leave them out.

other experts think varidys pace irrelevant at this level.

my conclusion it's all opinions and roy hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias.

The Rebel

Well konceptual99, I agree with you, I can only assume Roy Hodgson the England Manager, is a secret Jehovers Witness. I say this because Its interesting to note Jack Wiltsure has the initials of .J.W . I also noted the effect a player converting to a religion has on a team . I say this as a Watford supporter, having noted at the beginning of the season our main sticker " Deeney" seemed to have converted to the " Seventh day Adventist" faith, he then amazingly seemed to convert the whole team, with such success that not one of them " worked" on Saturday since Boxing Day. If it wasn't for mid-week games we would have been relegated.

The Rebel.

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Roy and my right to free-speech..

by The Rebel in

before england announce the two squad members that won't go in to the euros, i say leave out wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and sturrige,( the most over rated striker ever) however social media disagrees and says drinkwater, lacks quality and rashford experience so leave them out.

other experts think varidys pace irrelevant at this level.

my conclusion it's all opinions and roy hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias.

The Rebel

Before England announce the two squad members that won't go in to the Euros, I say leave out Wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and Sturrige. (The most over rated striker ever) However Social media disagrees and says Drinkwater, lacks quality and Rashford experience so leave them out. Other EXPERTS think Varidys pace irrelevant at this level. My conclusion It's all opinions and Roy Hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias. That being said, it's kind of fun being a football fun, with free-speech, and suggesting the two players Roy must drop from the squad today.

However I think it takes a more meaningful type of free-speech and soul -searching to question our faith. This is why we are here. We valued our free-speech, held it to the light and saw the "watchtower" interpretation of " free-speech" was in our opinion wrong. Having concluded we were conned to trust in the " W.T" version of " free-speech" we rebelled, and by doing so many we lost our friends our faith, and all we held important.

But we did so because we believed in our thinking.

Was it justified?

Was it worth the price?

I think it is.

But only if it allows us to continue questioning that we may have been wrong. We should never stop challenging our thinking. We should always question why we believe what we believe? And we should always be open to being wrong.

Anyway I believe the two players, Roy needs drop are Wiltshire, & Sturridge.However if Roy doesn't agree with me, and Wilture and Sturridge score the winning goals in the final, I was wrong and Roy Hodgson the England manger was right. I bloody hope so. England havnt won a major tournament in my life time, infact Engaland havnt won a major tournament since 1966.

Ok England fans, let's hope my expertise is not valued, and Roy knows best.

The Rebel.